[baking] Matthew says, "Also, everyone makes fun of no-knead bread, but I have been doing extensive kneading on all these sourdough loaves I've been making."
[baking] Gunther says, "almost like no-knead is a fraudulent lie"
[baking] Matthew exclaims, "It's neither fraudulent nor a lie!"
[baking] Gunther says, "counterpoint: yes it is"
[baking] Skeet says, "calling it something else doesn't eliminate kneading"
[baking] Matthew says (to Skeet), "No, it's the fact that there's no kneading that eliminates kneading."
[baking] Skeet says, "'for this dough, there's no kneading! just vigorously fold the dough with your hands for 30 minutes'"